Help,my powerpolish trapped inside the pad

KIOS3R · #1 03-10-2010

Hi all,,,
why the PP always trapped inside my pad? so i must use very much product, and when im done, it's very hard to clean the pad becouse the PP is still trapped inside, even when i boiling the pad

are my priming technique is wrong? or it's normal?
thanks for the answer

abnot · #2 03-11-2010

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Originally Posted by KIOS3R

Hi all,,,
why the PP always trapped inside my pad? so i must use very much product, and when im done, it's very hard to clean the pad becouse the PP is still trapped inside, even when i boiling the pad

are my priming technique is wrong? or it's normal?
thanks for the answer

Based upon your comment "I must use very much product", I think you are using too much product. I ran into this same thing when I started polishing several years ago. I was confusing amount of polish and ability to correct (remove swirls). The instructions on the bottle does not go into every aspect of polishing.

Once you get the pad primed after several panels (applying the generous X or circle bead), you should not need that much polish for further panels. The pad face just needs to be more or less damp from the polish oils.

It just takes a few blobs (3 to 4, depends on your work area (say 18x18 in square) to have enough product to get a thin layer over the work area. Getting a thin even coat is all that is needed.

I think it is better to sorta air on the side of too little polish to reduce buildup but no fear you can check this as you go. If it will not spread over the work area evenly during the low speed spread pass, you can just add a dab or two more to re-spread before starting to full polish (under pressure, higher spread). This is visual judgment that improves with experience.

Now, after a while your pad will build up with dried polish/paint/crud so you have to clean your pads (or better yet get a new one) because the dried polish can mess up how the newer applied polish breaks down reducing correction and loading up the pad more.

Using too much polish will greatly extend breakdown time and also isolate the pad more from the paint reducing the possible correct. The pad is needed to assist in the swirl removal.

KIOS3R · #3 03-11-2010

hi sir Abnot
the statement "i must use very much product", my reason is, when i use small amount, (about 4-5 cm in pad) and when i run the buffer, the polish is gone, i must massage the pad to make the polish come to the surface again.

i usually prime the pad with showtime instant detailer, my pad is meg****s polishing pad, are the PP not suited with foam structure from meg****s polishing pad?

abnot · #4 03-11-2010

I have one black Meg's Soft Buff 2.0 (freebie at Detail Fest last year) and the foam does not seem any different from standard foam pads.

When you say you run the buffer it is gone.

The polish does more or less disappears when you work it with the buffer. The run the buffer until it turns clear. It can do it in 4 or 5 passes or longer if you use more polish.

What kind of polisher do you use?
How do you apply it to the apply and spread on paint?
How long do you work the polish before it is gone?

KIOS3R · #5 03-11-2010

umm, my pad is megs soft buff 2.0 polishing pad, my polisher is rotary, i ussually put the powerpolish on paint, run the buffer @1000 rpm, take the polish and spreading the polish for 2 passes, rise the speed to 1500 rpm, when i run after 1 passes, the polish is gone, but when i massaging the pad, the polish appear to the surface of my pad.

do i not enough prime the pad?

sorry my english is very terrible

abnot · #6 03-12-2010

I do not have a rotary but I do have a Flex DA.

On my Flex DA, the working time is fairly short 3 to 4 passes max but the pad does seem to stay wet (more wet than some other polishes that dry out) so you can work a little bit longer. Therefore, from what little I know about rotary (running at 1500), the working time is not that much different. With my UDM (not as powerful) the work time can get much longer.

Does the polish remove swirls without leaving any marring behind when used with a polishing pad (like LC white)? If so, the polish is working. The polish is a pad dependent polish.

KIOS3R · #7 03-12-2010

the polish doesnt remove swirl, but reducing the light swirl and marring ( i use the polishing pad, and the powerpolish work like finishing polish like 3m ultrafina, megs swirlfree polish, menzerna final finish), umm,,, so can i say the polish is working?

oh one more question sir abnot, have u ever use the powerpolish with woolpad?

abnot · #8 03-12-2010

Power Polish is a pad dependent polish and I do not see any significant correction until I used a Lake Country (LC) Orange pad. With a LC Black, it is a nice finishing polish. No idea how a rotary works.

I know others have posted here have used a LC yellow to get results similar to Meg's 83 in terms of correction.

I have not used a wool pad.

KIOS3R · #9 03-12-2010

Whatttt????? can get similiar cutting action like megs 83???
i think i must try the woolpad for paint recondition instead spend $65 for a gallon of 83,

thanks sir abnot, i'll try use small amunt of product and reporting again here, ASAP

abnot · #10 03-12-2010

See these threads

http://www.waxforum.com/showthread.php?p=15907

http://www.waxforum.com/showthread.php?t=722

I am sure paint softness and other factors can affect results.

KIOS3R · #11 03-12-2010

i was trying to polish my engine hood about a minutes ago,,,
still got the same result, i just applying 5cm PP for half my engine hood, and the polish trapped inside my pad... and i must boil the pad again, after that i must massage the pad over and over to put the polish out from my pad...

i dunno what's wrong with me n my friend, he got the same result too...

and thanks for the link sir abnot, my car have the softpaint just like the others japanesse car (except honda ofcoz, it has freakish soft paint)

abnot · #12 03-13-2010

Sorry to hear about it.

The best product I have to clean pads is Optimum Power Clean. I do not know if you can get in Indonesia.

KIOS3R · #13 03-13-2010

power clean is APC right? i think i can get it via online,,, but i hope you can go to Indonesia, stay at my house, and workout my car together

thanks for the info, Sir,,,

oh yeah, about pad cleaner,,, my friend told me to cleaning with vinegar, do u ever try it?

abnot · #14 03-14-2010

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Originally Posted by KIOS3R

power clean is APC right? i think i can get it via online,,, but i hope you can go to Indonesia, stay at my house, and workout my car together

thanks for the info, Sir,,,

oh yeah, about pad cleaner,,, my friend told me to cleaning with vinegar, do u ever try it?

Yes, Power Clean is an all purpose cleaner. I have been to Indonesia (Batam, Bintan).

KIOS3R · #15 03-14-2010

baaa,, if u just been to Batam, u cant say u have been to Indonesia

)

please come to Bandung city in west java

@ sir Admin & sir Forrest T (if u read this) : does mothers have all purpose cleaner too? bcoz i fallin' in love with this brand, even i have the other product like soft99, TW, megs, dodojuice, i still use all my mothers stuff bcoz im enjoy it.

Forrest T. · #16 03-14-2010

Sorry, but no, we do not have an all purpose cleaner.

There are many good ones out there, as you have found. We should look at creating one.

KIOS3R · #17 03-14-2010

i hope very soon mothers creating APC.

sir Forrest, question about the polish trapped inside the pad, are u ever get the same problem as mine? and how do u prime the pad? with aquadest or with showtime detailer? thanks for the answer,,,

Forrest T. · #18 03-14-2010

I don't prime the pad. I use Lake Country pads and a Porter Cable DA, not a rotary. I start with an "X" of product edge to edge on the pad.

I have no issues with washing them out - I se Dawn dishwashing liquid and warm water..

KIOS3R · #19 03-20-2010

today i trying the PP again, with LC kompressor pad, i pour the product like "X" and start polishing,,, and again, the polish trapped inside my pad

does humidity affecting this?

admin · #20 03-21-2010

If you can take photos of how much product you put on the pad, and that illustrate what exactly you mean by "trapped inside" -- that might be helpful.

Also describe the technique, speed and machine brand and model, that might be helpful.

We'll try to get you some better help tomorrow when we start our work week -- perhaps one of our staff who is more familiar with using PowerPolish may be able to help.