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    Originally posted by dr_detail
    off the shelf by hand.... my 2 cents ...

    Mothers Cleaner wax followed by Mothers Sealer Glaze... available at most Auto parts stores (Kragen, Auto Nation, Pep Boys, Cheif) nation wide... might also be available at Wallymart.

    A Sealer Glaze on top of a cleaner/wax? Please forgive my ignorance but this routine sounds as if one product will cancel out the other in some form or fashion.

    Usually a wax, again usually a paste "non-cleaner" carnauba wax is applied on top of a sealant because the sealant would then not be able to bond with the finish. This though is where my ignorance comes into play for I have no experience with Mothers products and their sealant may not be a sealant like the likes of UPP or Blackfire.

    On the other side one could or should not use a cleaner/wax on top of a sealant because it will more than likely effect the sealant in a negative manner, especialy a liquid cleaner/wax as they are higher in solvent BUT here again is my ignorance coming into the factor. Please explain how these two work together, thanks

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    Anthony,

    I can`t get technical on the chemistry or the philosophical properties of how this process works. I do know however that for over five years, this method was used on thousands of cars every year at new car auto shows in every major city across the country, and even some minor ones. I could hand these two products to an untrained day laborer, sometimes hired from the local unemployment offices or off the street, in two plain bottles (one labeled step one, one labeled step two) and get awesome looks, a deep shine, happy clients (OEM level) and an ease of use that couldn`t be found in higher priced formulas. Combine that with the durability to withstand the grueling task of being wiped down and cleaned of carpet lint and finger prints every hour throughout the duration of the show (sometimes up to thirteen times a day for twenty-eight days straight*), you have a finish that`s hard to beat. It was also a plus that if I ran out of product, I could walk into almost any nationally branded store and get more.

    Gawd, this sounds like an add for Mother`s; but it isn`t. It`s just my experience being shared with someone who asked about "off the shelf" products. If however you would like to ask a chemist how this process works, send your emails to chemist@mothers.com. I`m sure they`re better equipped to answer them.

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    4. What is a Sealer and Glaze?
    When applied before waxing, a Sealer and Glaze helps hide minor scratches, spiderwebbing, swirl marks and other surface imperfections. It enhances clarity and shine, while giving darker colored paints that deep, wet look. If left unprotected, a Sealer and Glaze will not last long. It therefore needs an immediate coating of protective wax to truly have long lasting benefit.


    This was taken from the Mother`s website (I hope I don`t get in trouble for copyright infringement!!!) Forrest (from Mother`s) pops in from time to time on a few web boards and I remember him saying once that Mother`s uses the glaze for their showcars to keep them shined up (the ones that they keep in the showroom, not outside) and that the glaze would not likely last more than a week without a coat of wax on it. I suppose you could use the cleaner wax instead of the step one pre-wax cleaner, but you should still use a pure carnauba wax after the glaze (the cleaner wax would take the glaze off). Just my thoughts, but if it worked for you, then that`s what counts!
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    I suggest you use the saved $$$ to get a PC. It`ll pay for itself in rewarding details. Look at the pics in the post just put up entitled My First Detail Dodge Ram exterior. You`ll be able to see what the PC can do for you and it`s idiot proof.....anyone can do it and not do damage.
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    Originally posted by dr_detail
    Anthony,

    I can`t get technical on the chemistry or the philosophical properties of how this process works. I do know however that for over five years, this method was used on thousands of cars every year at new car auto shows in every major city across the country, and even some minor ones. I could hand these two products to an untrained day laborer, sometimes hired from the local unemployment offices or off the street, in two plain bottles (one labeled step one, one labeled step two) and get awesome looks, a deep shine, happy clients (OEM level) and an ease of use that couldn`t be found in higher priced formulas. Combine that with the durability to withstand the grueling task of being wiped down and cleaned of carpet lint and finger prints every hour throughout the duration of the show (sometimes up to thirteen times a day for twenty-eight days straight*), you have a finish that`s hard to beat. It was also a plus that if I ran out of product, I could walk into almost any nationally branded store and get more.

    Gawd, this sounds like an add for Mother`s; but it isn`t. It`s just my experience being shared with someone who asked about "off the shelf" products. If however you would like to ask a chemist how this process works, send your emails to chemist@mothers.com. I`m sure they`re better equipped to answer them.

    *The Texas St. Fair
    dr etail,

    Thanks so much for the reply and please don`t take it as a slam or anything against you I am just curious about the matter because as I said I don`t have much experience with Mother`s products.

    I do know though that a cleaner/wax is just that, a cleaner, usually a very mild cleaner designed to remove light oxidation, so my thinking is that it will also remove the sealer/glaze.

    You can do a test with two side by side panels, apply the two step to one and then just the cleaner/wax to the next panel. My guesstimation is that they would both have the same appearance. If Mothers makes just a paste carnauba, low in solvents, you may try the cleaner/wax as step one then apply the paste on top of that for added depth and clarity. I do these steps with Pinnacle Liquid Souveran and Trade Secret paste wax.

    Again this is just my guesstimation.

    Take care,
    Anthony
    "The Art & Science of Auto Detail"

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    Sealer and Glaze is used to fill surface imperfections and give an even shine to the finish. On vehicles exposed to the elements, I`d suggest it be topped with a wax (one without any cleaner in it) either paste or liquid to give it longevity. Without a wax topper, it`ll likely last 7-10 days depending on the environment.

    On our show cars, it`s true we don`t use any wax - just the glaze. However, they stay inside, under covers, and are prepped each time they go out. On the Hot Rod Power Tour (a cross country drive of cool cars), I drive one of the toys and usually glaze it every morning, and wash it every night. You can read my on-line coverage at http://www.powertour.net/ in a shameless plug of my meager writing abilities.

    Back to the glaze stuff - if it were me, I would wash, clay and polish as require to get a mar free finish. Then, I would glaze and top that with a cleaner-free product (we make both paste and liquid without cleaner, as do other companies), and maintain by frequent washing and the use of an instant detailer. I would apply another coat of glaze every other time I waxes, before the application of the wax.

    This assumes it`s a daily driven vehicle. If it were a toy, I`d wash, clay, polish and glaze only (and often).

    Hope this helps.
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    that scam has been going on for years. notice how you see these"never wax again" places pop up on the corner. they stay for about 1.5 years, then poof! their gone. then i`ve seen them 30 mis down the road. they do this to avoid having to warranty their work....pretty sneeky huh?

 

 
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